SYW344 – Building a Mixed Media Community from the Ground Up with Hannah Lopez

Hannah Lopez: [00:00:00] Realizing that I had fallen out of love with scrapbooking and then was able to fall back in love with scrapbooking. And really I have that heart to share with others how I do things. So that they can be more confident in what they're doing. So I wanted to take some of the aspects that we had from what The Crafty Maven was before. But really just make it new and fresh. And a lot of that was turning it more into a mixedmedia based company.

Jennifer Wilson: Welcome to Scrapbook Your Way, the show that explores the breadth of ways to be a memory keeper today. I'm your host, Jennifer Wilson, owner of Simple Scrapper, and author of The New Rules of Scrapbooking. This is episode 344.

In this episode, I'm chatting with Hannah Lopez about her journey from new scrapbooker to content creator, and the story behind the Crafty Maven Getaway.

We talk about building a mixed media kit business, what it looks like to step away and come back, and how the next generation of crafters might reshape our [00:01:00] hobby

Hey Hannah, welcome to Scrapbook Your Way.

Hannah Lopez: Hello Thank you for having me on today.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes. I'm looking forward to our conversation and getting to know you a little better. Can you start by sharing a little bit about yourself?

Hannah Lopez: I am living in the Pacific Northwest so I live in like Tacoma Seattle area. And I've ha been here for about 10 years now. I'm just coming up on 10 years or 11 years. 11 years. It's crazy.

Jennifer Wilson: What do you like about it compared to other places that you've lived?

Hannah Lopez: Um I love that it's mild weather most of the time. So it's like super consistent. It's not a lot of snow. Uh I mean obviously we get a lot of rain. But it's not all year so that makes it nice. Um so I And I just love how I can be so close to a city yet it feel like country. Because of all the trees. So it's so beautiful [00:02:00] around here.

Jennifer Wilson: It is just, it's so vibrantly green, it's amazing.

Hannah Lopez: It is.

Jennifer Wilson: I've, I've loved visiting out there.

So.

Hannah Lopez: And when you live here you kinda get used to it and you don't realize how green it is until you go away. I visited Idaho last summer and it was so crazy. Because I just didn't realize how green it was. Even in the summer when it turns brown here.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. So I always like to ask our guests a few icebreaker questions. Do you have a favorite recent layout or project?

Hannah Lopez: Uh I would say that recently um during National Scrapbooking Day weekend, I did a whole lot of just like me scrapping. Instead of scrapping for projects or whatever. And so I really enjoyed a couple of the layouts that I did. But one was a watercolor background and it just reminded me how much I love to use that medium as opposed to some of the other mixed media stuff that I do. And have been doing this past year to try to get a little [00:03:00] bit more comfortable with other mediums. And so like I just I fell in love with all the layers and all the all the goodies that I got to tuck in. And so it was just really fun to turn my brain off and just scrap how I wanna scrap. Without thinking of anybody else.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, yeah. Now when you create a watercolor background for a layout, do you use and cut down like watercolor paper to 12 by 12, or do you use regular cardstock?

Hannah Lopez: I generally use just regular card stock. Depending on how much I'm watercolor I'm gonna add. I'll decide if I wanna use like a thicker a smooth. Or if I wanna use more of a textured. Cause if I'm gonna use a textured that's thinner, I like the American Crafts has a really nice textured thin card stock. And I love that but sometimes it just absorbs too much of the watercolor. So I do try to keep that in mind. But generally I'm not too worried about that kind of stuff. Because as it sits uh [00:04:00] wi in a pile it it flattens out enough that I don't feel like it's not a big deal to me.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. That, that's a plug for not putting away your layouts right away.

Hannah Lopez: Yes. Oh yes.

Jennifer Wilson: So all your mixed media backgrounds can flatten out.

Hannah Lopez: Right Yes And and I'm just encouraging everyone to do that. Just leave it out It's okay.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, I'm sure no one does that. No one has like three Iris containers like I do that are full of layouts.

Hannah Lopez: Oh no. No. Not what not whatsoever I didn't just share stuff on social media about how many layouts I gotta put away.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. So I also like to ask our guests, is there something new that you're excited to do, use, or try either in scrapbooking or in your everyday life?

Hannah Lopez: Uh so recently I made a whole lot of purchases for myself. Because I'm purchasing for my business all the time. I often.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Forget or just don't want to purchase for myself. And I got uh [00:05:00] some new Pinkfresh Studio stuff. Um from their other lines not the one with um.

Jennifer Wilson: Paige Evans.

Hannah Lopez: Paige Evans.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, the, that other new line, I have it sitting here in A Cherry On Top box because I was like, "I have to pre-order this." It was so pretty.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. I know right. I was just loving I'm loving greens lately. So uh so I'm really excited to get to dig into that. Cause I just haven't had a chance yet. But also I'm just like looking forward to the summer. It feels like this winter has been long even though I think we've had nicer weather. But I'm just ready for bonfires and late nights and just more scrapping time I guess.

Jennifer Wilson: Nice. Yeah, sounds fun. So today we're gonna be talking kind of a little bit at the intersection of both you as a scrapbooker and you as a content creator and a business professional in this industry. Um, can you tell us a little bit about your history, um, uh, being part of the online scrapbooking community?

Hannah Lopez: [00:06:00] Yeah. So I started s I feel like I kinda have to go back to when I started scrapbooking. Because I feel like that's a big part of how everything evolved. And I started scrapbooking in about February or March of 2014. My oldest child I have three, uh she was around four at the time four or five. And she was diagnosed with leukemia. And so we were gonna do a big MakeAWish trip. And I wanted to be able to document it. So she had something to remember. Because she was so little and her brothers and s sister were also really little. So why not do that with pictures. And so I started delving into online stuff. And my ex at the time watched a ton of YouTube. So I was like Oh I'll look on YouTube, you know. And that's h kinda how I got started I consumed a lot more YouTubebased scrapbooking. [00:07:00] And um and met or learned about quite a bit of the people at the time. Which there weren't really a ton of people on YouTube who were sharing a lot of content. Like Merci Tiera was one Oh Snap Gonzo, and Maggie Milo were some of the bigger ones, besides like Two Peas and stuff. And so I started finding them a little bit later. And then I got connected on Facebook with s some people. And so from there I just got the bug and the itch to like maybe try to record myself. Now I'm a new scrapbooker at this time. So I don't really know what I'm doing. So I don't know why I thought it would be such a good idea. But it turned into something so amazing for me. And such a big outlet. So that I could not have to focus on the bad days. But we could celebrate the good moments that we had in our family. Cause there's [00:08:00] still a lot even if you're going through any kind of illness. Um those times are can be really hard. And so it was just a really great place for me to like restore my soul at the end of the day of having to deal with you know chemo days and all that kinda. And and just days where you you're stuck inside with three little kids can be crazy. But anyway so in August of 2014 so less than what six months I was already starting YouTube. And I had no idea what the heck I was doing. And so from there uh I just started playing and growing as a scrapbooker. And as a content creator. Of course I didn't realize that's what I was doing at the time.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: It was so new. There was a lot of unknowns of what it would really look like. And I just remember being really [00:09:00] excited. And I was in my early 30s. So I was in that that great generation of where we all just were really excited about all this new technology that we're able to use. And and we d we weren't so old that it felt like oh we're like grandmas and stuff. And so so there's just like a great, a lot of us in that community of around the same age that we were just hungry to do something new. With a and especially in the scrapbooking. Um and I had gotten connected in like Two Peas a little bit. And I was listening to the Paper Clipping Roundtable. And just consuming as much of this knowledge. Because I was wanting to learn so much about how to do this hobby that I love. And why not go all in. You know when when you h get that that itch and that scrappy bug you know bite you it's just takes off from there. I [00:10:00] feel like. And so I was so excited and I just jumped in didn't know what I was doing. And made things work how I needed to. And then from there I just grew and learned. And this community is so amazing because we share things with each other so easily. And which is really great cause we can help each other grow too. So it was just super cool to see like that that beginning parts. And then from there, the Crafty Maven less than a year later from me starting my own YouTube channel I started The Crafty Maven Getaway so.

Jennifer Wilson: Okay, so tell us what is the Crafty Maven Getaway and, you know, how did that come from, you know, "I'm just gonna make some videos about my hobby," to something bigger?

Hannah Lopez: Uh okay. So w when I started The Crafty Maven, Two Peas had just shut down. Gosh I don't sometime around that time. And I could [00:11:00] see the rift. Even though I wasn't as connected in the online community of scrapbookers who were on message boards and websites. Like I had no idea how much online like blogging and stuff like I like I knew nothing about that. Um and even like blogging in general to me was like really foreign. My family.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Growing up we didn't have a lot of technology. We I grew up in the country. So like growing up and learning as technology was going. It's just I hadn't caught up to everything. And so I didn't even know about this big world until I started. And so seeing everybody else be so devastated about Two Peas and seeing the stuff that they were doing that was kind of new and fresh. Um especially with the Garden Girls and doing a lot of their videos online and they were [00:12:00] good videos. Um so.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Unlike a lot of us on YouTube who were kind of in the middle. It was like the Wild West. So if you had a camera.

Jennifer Wilson: Do you think it was less intimidating to start back then though? Like, versus somebody now who wants to get online. I mean, everything, even the things that aren't polished look more polished. Just because the technology is so much better. So maybe there was like a, the naivety of it, uh, helped us jump in, I guess.

Hannah Lopez: I think so, I think so. I I think the possibilities of what it could become we could see that. And so it did make it really easy. And especially at the time everybody was so encouraging to like Hey just try it You never know what will come out of it. And even the I know we're still like that in so many ways. Because there are so many online uh video content creators. Whether it's on Instagram or [00:13:00] YouTube. So even now it's more intimidating cause you have to have a better look. And the sound. But yeah so back then we just I don't even think we understood what we were building really at the time.

Jennifer Wilson: Certainly, yeah. No, it's, it's certainly been an evolution over, over that time. Um, and then alongside that, you know, products changing. You know, it sounds like around that same time was when Project Life was really becoming, like, such a big thing in our hobby. And really introduced this whole new format. And, and made us ask a lot of questions about w- why we scrapbook and how are we gonna do it?

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. Oh yeah I did so much Project Life back then. And I it it really changed like for a little while how I did scrapbooking and mixed media. And it's interesting cause I look back of like now now that how I do Project Life is so much different. In a in a weird [00:14:00] way, cause I do scra I used to do a lot of mixed media on Project Life stuff. Just because that's what I was doing and I was playing with. And I was like Why not mix the two. And then as I seen other people do like more streamline um like the Ali Edwards style. Eh I just morphed into that. Because it was different than what I was doing on my scrapbook pages. So I think I wanted to have that balance of it not all being the same same. So. Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: That how you still kind of, do you still do Project Life today and is it still in a more, like, simplified format?

Hannah Lopez: Uh I I've tried to do Project Life. I thought this year I would do it and I have like two pages done. Uh I definitely do it more like traditionally. Like um I don't generally do any mixed media anymore on Project Life. It's definitely not simple though. So I definitely beef it up. Uh [00:15:00] which is why I'm not very good at getting it done.

Jennifer Wilson: I'm, yeah, you're not alone in that, so.

Hannah Lopez: But there's always next year. There's always next year, Jennifer.

Jennifer Wilson: Yes.

Hannah Lopez: Or so I tell myself.

Jennifer Wilson: So it seems like you took a break for a little while with the Crafty Maven Getaway and rec- relatively recently kind of brought it back with, with new gusto. Can you tell us about that?

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. So um uh because I started in 2015 or I say I started it it was a whole group of online uh YouTube scrapbookers. We worked together. But I was the one running the show. And we did that from 2015 to about 2020, I think. We just all were really burnt out. Cause we were doing a video almost every day. At that poin, like especially at the beginning. And for many years we did a video a day. That was a lot of what our draw was is that we had different types of [00:16:00] videos and themes. Based off of an inspiration piece. And so that's what like connected everything all together and made it cohesive. Even though we had so many different styles which is what I loved about The Crafty Maven. So but in about 2020 I was going through a divorce. Um which I wasn't super like open about. Because it was a weird time. And I just needed to take a break. And I think a lot of us were just doing so much. And then with COVID hitting it just changed a lot of some of our priorities and everything. And so I just felt like it was a time to like take a break. And so so we stopped doing videos on the channel. And I just left left it. I didn't know what I wanted to do with it. But I didn't wanna hand it off to somebody else and it become something that I didn't want it to become.

Jennifer Wilson: Sure.

Hannah Lopez: I still wanted to hold onto a [00:17:00] little bit of that control. Cause I did think about if I wanted to offer it to somebody else who had put a lot of work into it too. But and I I've seen that in our industry. Where people will have like a company or a theme that they're doing and then they hand it off to somebody else. And it just becomes something else. And that's great for that that person who gets it and acquires it and wants to do more with it or something different. So like it's not wrong it's just that's what I didn't want to happen. So.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, I would say in this day and age, the, the Allbirds acquisition going from shoes to AI is just kind of blows that whole concept up. In terms of wanting to protect what you've built. Now, I know we're not at that scale, but still it's just like things can get so crazy nowadays.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. So um yeah so I took a break. And I actually took like a f a big break for [00:18:00] myself just uh not sharing anything. Uh I just really needed to do a lot of personal work and g and go through the hard times and navigate that with my family. And it's really hard when you're a content creator and you're going through that kind of stuff. Cause what what do you s we share so much of our life so what do you share. Like uh and you can be open and honest but how open and honest do you wanna be while you're going through it. So so I for me it made the most sense to take a break. And it really just like going through that t took a toll on me mental healthwise. But then also

Jennifer Wilson: Hmm.

Hannah Lopez: So I needed to have boundaries.

Jennifer Wilson: I'm sure the pandemic didn't help with that either.

Hannah Lopez: No it did not. It did not. It made things like way more complicated. But that's okay you know you learn and you go through stuff like that. And and the great thing about scrapbooking is that you can go back later and reflect on things and see how you've changed and grown. And you can see that progress. So I I knew it [00:19:00] was gonna always be there I just wasn't gonna utilize it right now. And so then I came back to scrapbooking at the beginning of l last year I s restarted my channel. My personal channel. And then not long into that cause I had been scrapbooking like on my own without filming for a few months.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Like th four or five maybe. And then I I decided at like January that I wanted to redo The Crafty Maven. I was like I think it's time to pick this back up. I don't know if it's my age or just me realizing that I had fallen out of love with scrapbooking and then was able to fall back in love with scrapbooking. And really I have that heart to share with others how I do things. So that they can be more confident in what they're doing. So I wanted to take some of the aspects that we had from what The Crafty Maven was before. But really just make it new and [00:20:00] fresh. And a lot of that was turning it more into a mixedmedia based company.

Jennifer Wilson: Okay.

Hannah Lopez: Cause that's something that I love. And I knew I always wanted to do something like that. I had talked with a couple of my close friends of like did I wanna do a store. Did I wanna do some kind of business. But at the time when I was scrapbooking I was doing a lot of designing for other companies. Uh like as a scrapbook content creator/designer. So um and I was really happy doing that and I loved it. Cause I felt like that was building like my brand and who I was as a scrapbooker. And I'm glad I did it cause I learned so much. And I love working with other companies and And other people in the industry. So it kind of gave me what I needed to learn. So that now I was like confident. You know what I can actually do this. People will wanna buy my stuff. Cause they know who I am. [00:21:00] Uh and so I decided to keep the inspiration piece. So each month I make a different inspiration piece. Which is essentially a mood board for colors, textures, um just like a theme that I want to carry throughout the month. So that everything's cohesive. And then from there I build the kits. And so each month I have a a k um mixed media kit. And then the videos are kind of based off of the old themes. So every day of the week we had a different theme. Like sketch it out, um what else did we do Mix it up Mondays, I think We did free flow Wednesdays. So we had different days for different types of themes. Uh so that we could Because before with The Crafty Maven it was a whole conglomerate essentially of a whole bunch of YouTubers who were online doing scrapbooking stuff. And because it was [00:22:00] inspirationbased and communitybased. It the even though there was a design team and I helped run that and a lot of other ladies helped with that too. So that we could keep it functional and running. So um but now it was just me. So I knew I wanted to do something with some of the elements to keep it the same but fresh and different too. So adding the kits was definitely a big thing. And um so it led to that Now this year I added a design team. I added members to kind of help. At first I wasn't sure how I wanted to do that. Because I learned a lot about starting a business. It's so different being a desi you know someone gives you a kit or gives you supplies to use and you make something as opposed to you deciding how do you want other people to do that. And how Like when do you start that process. So uh this year I decided I needed [00:23:00] a team. Because I realized I can't do everything myself. Go figure.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: Um but yeah so so now that's kind of like what it morphed into to keep it the same. Cause I really love the community aspect of The Crafty Maven. And that was one thing that we did really well, before. Is that we were on online. Now granted I had a little bit more time. Cause I don't I don't know how that works. When you have little kids you feel like you don't have time and then as they get older you realize oh I actually did have more time. But uh.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, that's, the, the mental perception is hard sometimes.

Hannah Lopez: Um but I just spent a lot of time online. Because I love the community. And so that was a big part of us all connecting and helping each other grow. And so I really wanted that aspect of The Crafty Maven to continue too. So now now having a team I'm able to have other people [00:24:00] help me. So that we can all be a community together. And even though I know that there's a t ton of other groups for different scrapbooking companies and stuff. I just feel like we're not a fil even though I own kit I'm doing kits. I don't feel like I'm I want to like focus on that like in the community group. It's not just about like what I have. It's about let's use everything that we have. Let's encourage each other. So more of like an inspiration like station. A place where you can get help you can grow you can grow your your friendships within the community. So that you have a safe place to like share what you're doing and you're learning. Cause we're all growing. Like we never stop growing our skills as a scrapbooker, and s a mixed media scrapbooker. And so I want there I wanted there to be a place that people could do that. And know like Oh I'm not the only one who has a hard time doing this [00:25:00] technique. Or I'm not the only one who can't decide what stash to start with. You know Like we all have these issues and problems. But sometimes we feel intimidated. Because well Paige Evans does it so well. Or you know Ali Edward does this so well. I could never get there. And I wanna remind people you can get there. Uh it's just how do you get there. Right. And so if we can walk alongside of each other and help each other grow in that then we can all be better.

Jennifer Wilson: So in a way, with these kits, you're kind of, uh, deciding the color palette that the folks might choose with their other supplies. And being able to bring it all together with this additional medium that they love to use as part of their pages.

Hannah Lopez: Yes. Yep.

Jennifer Wilson: Can you tell us more about what's in the kits, um, and how your customers are using them?

Hannah Lopez: Yep. So I offer right now, we just s or I. Just started um adding a mini kit. Because I wanted to have a smaller option. But [00:26:00] essentially people get about five to six mixed media items. So it's based off of those mixed media items. And then I add like some textures to it and maybe like some embellishments or something a little bit extra to it. That's scrapbooky but not scrapbooky. If that makes sense. So it can work for someone who just wants to do mixed media like art journal like junk journaly type stuff. Or if you do layouts you could also use that kind of stuff. So I keep that in mind when I'm building my kits. Um and so it's products from different companies. Eventually I wanna have as many companies as I can within mixed media. So it's companies that maybe other people haven't heard of or it's bigger companies. That like Oh that seems like really expensive. I don't wanna spend that money to just buy that one item. But because it's in a kit people can try it. So sometimes the items I try to keep them a [00:27:00] smaller size. Cause I'm thinking about I don't want y I want you to try this and learn and see how do I like this product. So it's good for people who are new to s to mixed media and are trying out and seeing what they wanna invest in. So they don't have to invest in like a t a big amount of products or things that they're just not sure they're gonna like. But then also seasoned mixed medias c media people can use it too. Because it just puts everything all together. Of like Oh I didn't think I could use this product with this product. And then so me and the design team share videos on w how we use those products. Right. And so we have like the main kit. I have a premium which we have some extra like a free cut file a sketch. You get extra videos. That not everybody can watch. Uh just showing how I use the products from that kit. So I'll focus like o on one or two [00:28:00] products that I'm using for the month. And then with the mini kit is just three items and a stencil. So. So it's a smaller amount. It's the items that are already in the the big kit. But less of them. So it let's say money is a problem or you just don't want six items. That's kind of a lot sometimes if you're new. Right. So I wanted to have some different options. So that people didn't feel like they're just getting like the main kit. Like that might be a lot for them especially if they just want mixed media. Like uh one of A couple of my design team members they are more just the mix the media part. And they just want want it simple. And so that works really well for them. Cause I can tailor They can get a kit that works better for their style too. Cause that's one of the things that I love about having a design team is that everybody has different styles. So people who scrap like them can see that and go Oh yeah that's how I [00:29:00] could use it. Cause sometimes that's where the issue is is. You see this item and you're not quite sure how this is gonna fit for your style. And I feel like with mixed media that can be really intimidating. Because there's some ladies who just do it so well. Like when I look at a Wilna Furstenberg art journal page, I'm like There's there's no way I can do that. And make it look that good. Because I'm not her. But the products that she's using you could still use. Uh but sometimes we get stuck on what the main person used it for if it's not a style that we do. So I wanted to have that diversity within uh how I did the team this time. And the because that's how I did it before too. I really tried hard to make sure that when I was picking people before, that it was a lots of different styles. Because I knew that there was a lot of different scrapbookers in [00:30:00] our community. And I wanted to to have something for everybody. So that is the kits.

Jennifer Wilson: I love that. I think that it ends up showing the, the diversity of how you can use mixed media 'Cause someone might have an idea in their head of, you know, that this is how it looks.

Hannah Lopez: Mmhmm.

Jennifer Wilson: When it could be quite a range, for sure.

Hannah Lopez: Yep. Oh yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: So how many team members do you have today and how does that compare to, you know, your original team?

Hannah Lopez: So the original team we had I had a lot. Um I almost didn't say no to people be like before. Because it was everybody. It they weren't getting like free product or anything. So it was really easy to just say Oh yeah we could have a team of like 10 10 or 15 people. Like and at the beginning we had a lot of people. Um over the years like people would go and do other things and stuff. But it made it easy when we were posting every day you needed a lot more people. So now I just [00:31:00] have six people total but five main ladies. So uh one of the ladies that is on my team is my bestie who does the m my podcast or the podcast that we do for The Crafty Maven.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: And she just does mostly behind the scenes stuff and she'll create when she has time. But she doesn't have as much time to put into like being an actual design team member. And that's fine. And she's been along with me for the ride. Like she was helping me think through things at the very beginning of The Crafty Maven. So it only feels natural to have her be a part of what we're doing now. Um it's just not as much as I think she would like but that's okay. Um and the five other members four of them are YouTube based. And then uh I have Cassie who does Instagram and she helps with the group a lot.

Jennifer Wilson: Wonderful. Yeah. I know we've had a number of your team members on the show as well, [00:32:00] and we'll, we'll link up their episodes.

Hannah Lopez: Yes.

Jennifer Wilson: In the show notes. So how do you coordinate all the assignments? How far are you working ahead and planning the kits? Uh, what are the logistics behind this these days?

Hannah Lopez: Um so it all changes. Every month I feel like it's a little bit different. But I try to have an idea of kits a few months ahead. I think the hardest part is buying. And this is one thing that as like someone who just gets products for free or I say for free it's not really free cause you're doing a ton of work. But when you are a part of a design team for like a kit club or s or a company. Um It depends if that company's making their products themselves or are they having to buy them from other companies. And anyway the it was just something I wasn't as aware of. Um of like how much certain products like seasonal products or like new lines you can't just get them way ahead like you [00:33:00] used to be able to. I feel like that's one thing that's changed a lot in our industry. Um I remember during Creativation which was not Creativation back then. Uh but I remember them going in like January and buy uh like deciding what they were gonna use for months off. Right. Where now you you have somewhat of an an idea of when stuff will come out but yous have to wait until it's ready to buy and everybody's like piranhas going towards this this these new products. So that's the nice thing with mixed media is for the most part I don't have to get stuff brand new. Like the new releases of mixed media I generally kind of wait a little bit to get, if I can. So that I'm not fighting for it. Cause even when Ranger releases stuff they only release so much to certain a like certain companies right. So um because I [00:34:00] am a smaller business I have to think about what I can buy. Like my buying power isn't as strong as like a big company right. So.

Jennifer Wilson: Certainly.

Hannah Lopez: So that definitely changes like how how far ahead I can do make kits. Because I also wanna add some relevance too right. I want some new stuff. So I kind of just have to be thoughtful and be willing to like move stuff around too a little bit. Um but so I buy stuff about a couple months ahead. And I will like add things as I go to build this kit. And then like for the design team a lot of it is like these are the things that I would like to see. Like uh um I was talking a lot about themes before so we've kept some of the themes.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: So that um it the design team can decide like Oh this is where it fits right. So it's up to their [00:35:00] interpretation. And I like it that way so that they have full control over what they create. Cause I know especially with mixed media being able to decide how you wanna use a product is far better than having someone to tell you like. Oh I want you to do it this way.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh yeah, for sure.

Hannah Lopez: I'm gonna get better results from my team a uh which makes both of us better. So so uh really they just sign up um For their the weeks that they wanna post. They know how many posts they have to do. And so so it just kinda moves sl more smoothly that way. Kind of like having that middle ground of like this is what I expect. Well and like this year because this is the first time having like an actual team like a team that is getting product. So I'm still working the kinks out and I appreciate that my members are understanding of that. And I've been really up [00:36:00] front with them and other people I'm new to this. Like so I'm learning things that I didn't know. Like uh I know I s was saying earlier being a designer for a company and getting products is so different than being the one to give the products out. And I didn't realize it was gonna be so different. I don't know why. I just didn't. Maybe uh maybe I just don't think enough about that kind of stuff. And I just do it and then figure it out as we go. Which is h has worked for me. Um but anyway. So thankfully I've had a team that like really understands that. And I just try to be as honest and open as I can with people. Of like This is where I'm at This is what what I'm gonna give you and I just do what I say I'm gonna do right. So that was one thing that Dina Wakley, I had a conversation last year with her at Creativation. And that was her [00:37:00] biggest tip of advice is just when you have deadlines just make sure you do it. You know do it on your deadlines and you'll be good. You know cause you you sell your stuff. And so I really've tried to keep that in my mind. Is like don't say you can do more than what you can do right. So a lot of it is learning like what what can I actually do. And that was a lot of why I decided to do a team is I realized I was wanting to do more than I actually could. And I needed help sharing the projects right. Cause people don't aren't gonna know what they're buying if they don't s they only see it from one person and it's just my point of view. And where I love that because I am a big part of The Crafty Maven being the owner. But I don't just want it to be my like me. Cause I know not everybody scraps like me. So.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. No, that makes sense. But I also, I also understand like [00:38:00] how it, important it is to have some separation between your own creativity and what the business is creating. Because if it's totally reliant on you, you, you, it's, it's impossible.

Hannah Lopez: Yep. Yep. Well and like I learned a lot taking that break for about four or five years. Of like how to how I wanted to do boundaries this time, uh in my in my creating. Because I would spend every day in my room. Which is great when you have the time to do that. Uh but I don't have the time now. It's like my kids are teenagers I do a lot more stuff as a family. Um like even just with the activities that they're doing and that we do as a family. It just looks different. So I wanted to make sure that I could stick to that and do something like create like I said create boundaries. So that I have those separations.

Jennifer Wilson: I think that's something we learn [00:39:00] with age as well.

Hannah Lopez: Probably.

Jennifer Wilson: How, how to protect our own peace.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: It, it's kind of a hard, hard-earned process, I think.

Hannah Lopez: Well and also in this industry it's always about wanting to stay on top. Whether it just means creating continuously so people don't forget you. Or you know you you want your standards to be higher. Cause you want it to feel more professional. Like you know it can look different. Especially in different seasons. But because we're always doing that we're always grinding. And it's hard to say no. Because of whatever those repercussions might be.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, certainly, yeah. So you mentioned you also have a podcast. What is the format of the show, and are there any conversations that have really kind of stood out to you?

Hannah Lopez: Uh yes me and my crafty bestie Crafty Maggie, uh we do a podcast. And it [00:40:00] started from stuff we used to do on uh Facebook. We used to do lives in our group. And we called it Scrappy Chats. Where we would just get on together and just talk about whatever we wanted to talk about with that revolved in or around scrapbooking. And uh we decided last year I think in the springtime or maybe like February or something. We decided that we wanted to pick that up but do it in a podcast form. So it is super informal. It's just a l a l sometimes we come up with it like a few the idea or topic a few hours ahead. Sometimes we plan it out. So it's kinda a mishmash of whatever. And we just talk about the topic that we're gonna talk about. And we give a lot of our own experiences. So we're just like real and down to earth. And I wanted it to feel like you are sitting at a table with your [00:41:00] scrappy bestie and you're just talking about stuff. You know, whatever's on your heart. And so I feel like it's moved more towards the inspirational part of scrapbooking. Which I think sometimes we all need. We all need to hear that those things and the struggles of what we all are going through. Cause we all go through them. It might look a little different It might be in a different season. But you can relate to that. And I wanted to also offer something more for free for the community. And I know that there's a couple of other like podcasts like yours and but like even like Scrap Gals you have to pay for. And I wanted something just for free. Because sometimes like the the draw to pa to get people to pay for things even though I understand it takes a lot of time to to do podcasts. It takes a lotta time to upload things. But um it just [00:42:00] just to have that sometimes people appreciate They'll they'll appreciate it in our community. I really feel like it. So what I can offer for free you know to just help each other out be inspired in another way is awesome.

Jennifer Wilson: Oh, yeah, it is for sure. Now, is the show available both as video and audio?

Hannah Lopez: So right, okay. We have some podcast episodes that are on like iTunes or iPodcast. And uh on Spotify. But In Spotify I was able to do video so you can watch the videos there. Um but IPO uh the Apple Podcast what however platform it i whatever it's called.

Jennifer Wilson: I think it's just

Apple Podcasts, yeah.

Hannah Lopez: Um that one is just audio. There's not all the episodes. Because I am one person and I realize that I was spending a lot more time doing computer stuff. And so for right now [00:43:00] it's most of the episodes are just on YouTube. Um so you can you just put um put the episode on. If you put us in your pocket you like do not have to watch. Uh if you w if you don't want to. Um eventually I would like to have all our all of our episodes streaming. But it does get a little complicated. Like when you're doing it a whole bunch of different places. So I just have to figure out a system to be able to do it that way. Um so yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: All right. We'll definitely include a link to that in the show notes.

Hannah Lopez: Yep.

Jennifer Wilson: As well as, of course, everything else that you've mentioned. Now, I noticed that one recent episode was about, you know, chatting about changes in the industry, you know, recent and some not so recent. Um, as someone who's really involved on the product side, what are you seeing that's shifting?

Um, you know, beyond what we've already discussed in terms of just releases are much, much, uh, shorter timeframes than they ever have.

Hannah Lopez: I know right. [00:44:00] Uh I think that's definitely one of the biggest shifts And I definitely think that we're seeing a shift going from big brand companies to a lot of small brand companies right.

Jennifer Wilson: Hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Which is a really nice shift in a lot of ways. Because you have access to a lot of different styles that you might have not had access to before right. Um so I d I think like as far as mixed media I feel like it's been pretty the same. Like there's not as many companies that do that. And I feel like it tends to be bigger companies. Probably because to produce those products and get them out is just a lot more complicated. So you just need more money. But like team.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah

Hannah Lopez: Companies like Shimmerz Paints like they're a smaller business and they're they're crushing it. I mean you know, and even like The Crafter's Workshop which was a lot smaller of a company but is really we're really seeing that boom. So I [00:45:00] think we're seeing the boom of these smaller companies kind of becoming a bigger companies. As more and more people are using these products and seeing how to use them. Because we use so much more mixed media than we ever have before. Like you almost have to add some kind of mixed media something to your page if you're on design teams. Depending on what kind of teams you're on. So people are looking for that I think. And I don't know if it's just cause we're pushing it from the content creator side. Or if it's because people actually want it. Like it it's always like what's the chicken what's the egg and what came first.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, I think there's, there's often, there's, I- I've kind of two sides to this. One is that when I interview people for the show, um, I ask like, "Is there something you discovered that's just not for you?" And the answers are always either mixed media or Project Life. And, uh, I'm always surprised at how many say mixed media, but I think [00:46:00] that there is a desire to just use some of it. And like, you know, can we emulate that with a stamp or just a little tiny sprinkle, something that maybe is just a little bit less mess and doesn't require, you know, all the same tools. But we can still get kind of that effect with it. Or, you know, stencils tend to be on the easier side.

Hannah Lopez: I think sometimes and I say this cause n me and Megan are talking about mixed media right now on the podcast. And I think people downplay items like stamping a and ink.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm

Hannah Lopez: And even pens and markers on your layout or or projects. I think they want to put them in a different category. But it really is mixed media. You're adding a different kind of media to your page. And so I think it's kind of how you define it. And how we've defined it before isn't a true representation of what it really is. And so I think that's one thing that I've been working on even in my in the [00:47:00] community is having people realize that mixed media isn't doesn't have to be complicated. It can just be a stamp. You know you can stamp on your background and get a really cool effect and that's still mixed media. It it's cleaner and uh for certain people's styles like I can see why that works for them. And I can see why they don't think it's mixed media but it still is. And so just kind of helping people understand that it doesn't have to be like big and grandioso. For it to fit into that mixed media bucket, if you will.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, and I think just, I mean, uh, I'm assuming a lot of us, we came to scrapbooking because we liked to make things and, and play with our crafty side um, our whole lives. Like, we've always been f- you know, wanting to, to make things like this. And so some of those things are just kind of, I don't know, bringing that back, that childhood sense of play

too, I [00:48:00] think. And I think that, that invites a lot of curiosity about, ooh, I wa- you know. Especially now with the having a kit, like, sent to you, you don't have to make the decisions of.

Hannah Lopez: Mmhmm

Jennifer Wilson: Are 130 shades of the, of this particular paint, you know, which one do I buy 'cause I can't buy all of them.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. Right. Despite what what our uh our scrappy brains want and hearts.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. Well, I mean, I still have all the Distress Oxide, so but.

Hannah Lopez: Well you have to have all the colors. You have to. It's just when do you get them.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. Um, one of the things we've really seen a lot of this year is this, like, discussion of analog life. So people are creating analog bags. People are trying to get off their phones, and I, I think this is attracting a lot of, like, younger crafters, maybe some that were already doing, like, maybe some journaling or planners. But th- they're really getting into actual memory keeping and, and true paper crafting as well. Um, what are you seeing from, from your world?

Hannah Lopez: [00:49:00] Okay so I really ha I've really chewed and ruminated on this. Because when you first asked the question I I I was like Huh how what do I really think about this. Because so having teenagers, I see uh the young the young generation the one that's coming up and I think is gonna change a lot of what how we do things. And so I was trying to think about what it looks like now. My my middle daughter she's super artsy and crafty. She does not do scrapbooking. Um and like she's not as tactile. So I think there's a big part of that that I wonder. What like is the draw for the analog to touch something. Like w what is the reasoning behind it right

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: Because [00:50:00] we do see a lot of that. And we but I think it looks different. So uh in thinking about this my thoughts were is that this younger generation really wants to blend digital with analog. I don't they don't want them to be separate. So it does not I do not think it's gonna look how we do things. And that is hard and scary as someone who loves to do it the way I do it. And but I think just like that when we started doing more of like YouTube online content creation we seen this big shift in our industry. Um and I think we're seeing something similar to that now. But it's still hasn't fully come into fruition. Because this young younger generation I think is trying to figure out how they want to blend that digital world with something [00:51:00] tactile. Uh I think we see it a lot with like junk journaling and the fact that they don't wanna buy new stuff. So they wanna use stuff that they already have. Right. They're they're the buying isn't the thing. So like even how companies now are releasing all these things. I think we're gonna see less and less releases. Because as our generation or the generation older than us, like uh a lot of the older ladies that have been in the industry for a long time. They're starting to not produce as much. And th that's just the way life goes right. The older generation passes the baton to the younger generation. And our generation is.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: Kind of like that gap and we still have a lot of the old ways that we do things. But I think we're gonna see this big change. So I think what people are buying is gonna ch how it changes because they wanna use or repurpose things that they already have so they're not just feeding this consumerism. So I think we're gonna see less of that. Which is [00:52:00] freeing in my in my opinion. Because we don't have to feel like we have to buy just because a company put something out. So um it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

Jennifer Wilson: That that does make it hard for the, the, the industry as we know it to continue to exist. If the younger generations aren't wanting to buy things. Because they do see the, the consumerist aspects, the, you know, um, climate change and long-term impacts of, of our stuff and.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Using our natural resources. So it's, they are much more aware, um, than, than we ever were at that age.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. Well and I think their goal some of it is to just play with paper or play with something tactile. And I don't even think they're gonna keep it as long right. Cause like my daughter she c all she does is create digitally. And you know she'll print off a few things. But like she even even then printing it off is like kind of because she can store on her phone. So it'll be [00:53:00] interesting to see like if we turn more towards digital scrapbooking again. I think we might see that.

Jennifer Wilson: Well and there's gonna be a certain degree of hybrid too, of people printing things at home to be able to use.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Um, in a tactile way.

Hannah Lopez: If companies jump on that train quicker rather than later. I think that that is gonna benefit I know that's one of the things that I keep ruminating in my mind. Is like how much do I wanna start doing digital stuff. Which i that like I don't mind creating but that's not my talent. Like is to create something uh digitally. My brain just doesn't think that way as much. And so but I know that that's like the direction that we really should be going. It's a lot more costeffective. And people can print what they want and they so they don't have to have a lot of extra stash. You know I think the younger generation is thinking about like how much space do I have. They're not buying homes like like our generation did. And so [00:54:00] they have less space. So to be able to keep like just y have what they need. Uh I think is something that we need to be thoughtful for. Um but I I mean that means more designs. More a more a creative way of using your products right. Because.

Jennifer Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Hannah Lopez: You have a better variety of things too. Like you're not just stuck with like two companies. Well now it's not two. But you know Like you're not stuck with just having to use American Crafts or Doodlebug. Or you know You can kind of mix things together.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, make it, to make it work for you and, and, and fit your style for sure. There's l- a lot more of that p- like personalization aspect that I think everybody's wanting. And, technology today is only accelerating that and kind of creating that expectation that I can have it however I want it.

Hannah Lopez: Well and and it's good because we see less like companies against each other. Like I see us as a community like blending things and merging [00:55:00] things. There's not as many cliques if you will. Within the company brands that you're putting together. Because it used to be oh y if you were this style you only use these companies right. And.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, you know what? Here's an interesting aspect to that, and I'm wondering if you've noticed this. I've seen at least three this week, three new creators who are on the younger side, like, you know, early to mid-20s, and they're all using Creative Memories. Albums in part because they take up less space. And that seems like... my brain is like trying to wrap all around that, and I'm assuming they're exposed like through their parents.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Probably our age. And um, they are... Yeah, but they're, they're looking at things in a kind of a, a different way. Whereas we have the, a whole storyline associated with using Creative Memories albums.

And I know our list- like some of our listeners have always used them and will continue.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Maybe some never have.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. Well I think the companies like that especially like Creative Memories they have such a long line of history right. So [00:56:00] like you said it's parents showing. But also when you can get everything in a kit that coordinates like it's golden. It takes the guesswork out of especially when you're newer. Like I don't know what to put together right. And so I I am surprised that we're seeing less and less like kit clubs if you will. Um I and I know the reasoning why. Um it's just harder to get a ton of different companies products all together. Especially if you're a smaller company. Uh the buying power is just not there. So so I think that's where.

Jennifer Wilson: Well, there's, I mean, most of them are creating their own things now because of that. It's the ones that actually do source a lot of products, um, are, are definitely on the smaller side. And yeah, it's... I can only imagine how challenging that is. I, I created a couple kits like a decade ago, and I'm like, "Oh gosh, this is not for me." And it was, you know, much easier then.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah Well and I decided cause I had thought about do I wanna have a scrapbooking kit too. And [00:57:00] just it.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: It's a lot of pressure that I'm not sure I'm willing to take. Um it so instead I make my own stash kits. You know I create a s recipe and I look for different products. There was a time where me and Crafty Maggie and a whole bunch of other people were doing a series called um For the Love of Homemade Kits. And that's what we did. We would put together a kit. We might use like one new item that would inspire so that we could help each other learn how to build kits ourselves. Because I think there's a lot of us in the in the community that want to do that. But I wonder if the newer. Because the newer kids they want everything all together too. So it makes it easier. And I think that's where companies like Creative Memories shines right. Because they already do that. They put everything it's simple. And I honestly I think kids do want s or the younger generation does want simple. Because there are so much other stuff to like contend with. [00:58:00] And um they and it could just also be the p the time in their life. I think about when I was in my early 20s or mid to early you know that time. I was just getting married. Just having kids. But people are doing that a lot later. So like what are they documenting now too right. So when they're younger and you don't have all those things. You're not building a family you're building your career so you you're a lot limited in time. Uh what you're c what memories you're sharing. So y I think a lot of it is for them they just wanna create something. Right. It's so it's not necessarily a.

Jennifer Wilson: Think there is a desire to like understanding like I need to get these photos off my phone. Um, I'm hearing some of that conversation. I mean, I think we've f- we've felt that for a long time.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: I'm hearing even more of that, that I, I want these somehow in my

life. Um.

Hannah Lopez: Well you know it's like when it sits on your phone the the chance f of it disappearing forever [00:59:00] is there. And I think that the younger generation uh is feeling that too. Like they're seeing their stuff. Like we've a as a m you know someone in their early 40s I've had that happen quite a few times now. So I know for sure like if there's photos I wanna scrap I gotta print them. You know if I think that this is gonna disappear. Because I've had hardware you know my external hard drives just like not work. And then I lo lost all of those pictures. Uh so And I think the g younger generation is just seeing that now. A a and they're seeing family members with photos right. And so it gets you asking those questions. Like Oh how do I do that. I mean we take for granted that we could just go to Walmart or Walgreens and drop off your film roll. And then what a week later maybe you could come back and get your photos. It was super simple. Where now it's not. You have [01:00:00] to have access to a printer. Which not not everybody has. Like and then what printer do you use. So I could see like they're they're trying to figure out like how do I do this with the technology that I have. It's.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, it's, it's definitely different for sure, and, and always continuing to change. You know, I do wonder if we'll be able to pick up prints locally, uh, in even a couple years. Will it all be mail order? Um, just because, you know, the expectation of, of delivery is, is so high.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: I can do it this way. It'll just arrive on my doorstep in two days.

Hannah Lopez: Yep. Yeah. Well my daughter she's going to camp this summer and she's talking about like Hey Mom I want a camera so I can print off my photos.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: You know like they are thinking about that stuff. But it's like How do I do this Mom. Because you're like I can't take your big camera to camp. And you know she doesn't wanna carry her phone around at camp. Because y you know they're at camp. She doesn't wanna ruin her phone. So she wants something [01:01:00] like a point and shoot. And I'm like Okay Well we gotta figure out how to do that. So.

Jennifer Wilson: We ended up, we have, uh, we ended up getting a waterproof one. Um, that was really designed for underwater, but more like it, it can withstand whatever the kid is going to end up dropping in.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. I mean a 16yearold at camp in Mirror Lake is fun times.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, yeah. And also because it was like... 'Cause we also, I had had an Instax camera, you know, back when they came out. But that film is so expensive and it just, you know, it only takes 10 at a time.

Hannah Lopez: What she was telling me. Cause I asked that. I was like, well don't you have an Instax. Cause I bought her one. Cause I thought hey this is really cool. But I think for us it's more the nostalgia. For them it's like whatever. She's like Mom it's bulky and it's expensive. She's like And I can only take 10 pho 10 photos. So that wasn't good enough for her.

Jennifer Wilson: And we're not used to that. We're used to being able to take

10 of one thing and then pick the one we like.[01:02:00]

Hannah Lopez: Yep. I mean gosh when we had right like before the point and shoots when everything was all the film. Like you you didn't even know what your picture was gonna look like.

Jennifer Wilson: Right, true.

Hannah Lopez: I mean how many photos did your mom take off the heads. Cause that happened a lot in my family.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: And not on purpose.

Jennifer Wilson: Just like feeling like, "Oh my gosh," you know, like, "I can't wait to get this roll of film developed. I know there's just some of these great photos from this trip." And you get them back and I'm like, "That doesn't seem... That's not how I remembered it."

Hannah Lopez: Yeah. Right. Uh.

Jennifer Wilson: So for lis- our listeners who maybe are just discovering The Crafty Maven today, um, where would you want them to start?

Hannah Lopez: Okay. I was thinking about this because there are so many different places that you can find uh what where we are what we do. But I would say our Facebook community is probably one of the the first places I would send people. Um we share a lot of conversation [01:03:00] starters a lot of we have a lot of challenges and um it's just conversations in there. So uh go if you go there that's a great place. Also our YouTube channel is a really good place if you just want video content. For the most part our design team does like we do a collab so their video will be on their channel or on our channel. Um but the podcast is on there and the stuff that me and Megan we share stuff on there too as well. So Um and then Instagram. Our our Instagram also is a really great place to kind of follow us. Cause I I share a lot of products on there, the design team stuff. I try to do a mix of different things. So it's not you don't feel like you're just getting sold stuff. Cause uh the kits are just a small part of what we do. Um and I'd rather it be more about the community. So um those are three great places to start. Obviously people can go and visit our website. [01:04:00] St well I would suggest the store. We have a website. But we're kind of working on revamping it. Because we created it in 2015. So it looks like it was from 2015. And I am fully aware of that. But when you only have so much time. Uh but we're gonna be working on uh releasing some classes coming at towards like summertime so July August. We'll have I think two classes that we're gonna offer. So um and we have a couple of cr we have a crop coming up this summer online. So that's one thing that we're gonna be doing That's in our Facebook group. So that's why I suggest that people go to the Facebook group cause that's where we do a lot of stuff. And uh we had so much fun doing uh a crop for National Scrapbooking Day weekend. Cause we used to do host crops all the time. Or multiple times throughout the year, uh in The Crafty Maven. So I'm super excited that we're able to start doing that again. And we've been giving out prizes. But also just a place for people to come and create [01:05:00] for the weekend. Cause I know we're not all able to go to a place physically. Um so people from all over the world can come and join in and have fun.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, that's one of the best parts of scrapbooking today is just the intersection of what tehnology.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: Can do to bring us together and, and being able to create and share our stories.

Hannah Lopez: I know I would've never thought if someone told me when I was 25 even probably even 30 that I would have so many people that I looked up to and knew from other places from around the world. Like I would be like What are you talking about.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah. Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: So it's so cool you know.

Jennifer Wilson: Now, do you have a personal Instagram where you'd want our listeners to follow you?

Hannah Lopez: I do have a personal Instagram. And I have a personal YouTube channel. So if you visit me on either one uh so it's just Hannah Lopez. I think on Instagram it's dandelion2002. Cause that used to be my username. [01:06:00] So things you don't think about when you start right That you gotta.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah.

Hannah Lopez: About oh well what is peop what are people gonna call me.

Jennifer Wilson: No doubt. Yeah, yeah. We'll definitely include all those links.

Hannah Lopez: Yes.

Jennifer Wilson: Thank you for spending time with me.

Hannah Lopez: Well thank you for having me I very much appreciated being able to come on and talk about The Crafty Maven. But talk to you and and all your viewers.

Jennifer Wilson: Yeah, this was so fun. I, look forward to maybe doing it again someday.

Hannah Lopez: Yeah.

Jennifer Wilson: And to all of our listeners, please remember that you have permission to scrapbook your way.